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and welcome to the show on Martin Willis

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your host and I was on vacation last

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week I thought the show that I had

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pre-recorded was was a great one and if

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you haven't checked it out I love when

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academics look into this uh so anyway

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I'm really excited about tonight I have

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a long time UFO researcher Larry

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holcommon he was on I think eight or

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nine years ago and he has been around

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and looking at this topic all the way

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back I believe since 1960 are

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thereabouts and so he's seen all the

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changes coming along and we're going to

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be talking about that first of all

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um I just had something happen I think

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it's kind of funny people say uh that

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well you'll hear in the in the video a

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little bit later on I've been teased a

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little bit but anyway uh happened to get

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out of the car uh a friend of mine was

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looking at real estate uh up in Myrtle

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Beach uh Saturday I got out of the car

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and and the real estate agent was

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meeting us at a location about a mile

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from the beach and when I get out of the

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car the real estate agent says hey look

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up there's the Chinese balloon I said oh

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yeah that looks just like it he said uh

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that is the Chinese balloon so I said

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really so um anyway uh standing there

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and I see a jet fighter coming along and

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so I'm going to show you this there's a

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a really good clip of one of these up on

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my video shorts on my YouTube channel so

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check that out you can see it much

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clearer these videos because they're

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vertical they come out really small but

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here it is first of all

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looking at the Chinese and when it gets

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over the ocean they're sending one from

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Virginia that will go on

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fighter jets coming to look at it from

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basically I I say that the uh the

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fighter jet is coming

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to look at it but that's not what it was

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coming to do so I started snapping

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pictures and here's the sequence here it

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is if you look over to the left of your

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screen and these images and videos will

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be uh linked in uh show notes so the

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first picture it's perfectly round

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balloon the second one is when it was

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hit by the missile you can see it's in

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an oblong like an egg shape and then the

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third image poof it's uh it's done blown

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up so I was just shocked that I just got

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out of the car and five minutes later uh

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yeah I actually am doing this while they

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shot the balloon it's coming down they

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shot the balloon just live right now and

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I caught it on film the Chinese balloon

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that's amazing

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this is live catching it on film when

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they shot it down

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the Jack just went by and just shot it

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down

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right now it's got a long way to go

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we are right now what's the town this is

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Surfside Beach near Myrtle Beach

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so anyway uh

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let's see let me get this image down

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so a lot of people have been tease me do

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you think they shot it down did are you

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sure because I repeated myself so many

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times but anyway it's just so shocked I

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was actually thrilled to be there just

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at that moment I mean I wasn't even out

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of the car for five minutes when when

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they shot it out of the sky so that was

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pretty exciting and now this is a

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picture of the recovery effort this

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thing was the size of three school buses

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um and of course you know China says

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that it was a weather balloon but we'll

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find out exactly what it is because

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we're going to be able to get the uh all

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the the equipment that it had a payload

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a thousand pound payload or so but

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anyway it was it was fun you know I kept

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my eyes to the sky like I would say and

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uh anyway I got to witness that so thank

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you for uh listening to me say that the

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balloon was shot down

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and here's our guest Larry Holcomb

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welcome to the show Larry thank you good

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to be here Martin that's that was uh

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really fortunate that you uh

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we're able to see that and get that on

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film that's that's right it is fun and

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the BBC called me you know that that

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night to talk to me because I put it up

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on Twitter but uh the the thing that's I

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find out later that people were watching

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it for like hours you know and got bored

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and went in and I just happened to step

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out of the car when it was shot so yeah

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it was uh it was really good timing

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good luck good catch yeah so Larry

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thanks so much for uh coming back on the

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show and uh it's been a while and so

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there are uh a lot of new people

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especially since then it's been eight or

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nine years since you've been on so if

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you would please give your background

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you got into UFOs way back so uh let's

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talk about that yeah uh

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I had read several of major Donald T

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Holmes books uh Kehoe was assigned to

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investigate the UFO issue for

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true magazine and he didn't really want

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any parts of it he thought that the

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whole thing was ridiculous

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but once he got into it

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and uh I think it was Kian W Purdy that

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uh assigned him uh who was editor of

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true magazine to signed him to the to

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the job and uh

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Keo took it reluctantly but after he got

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uh the subject he did a turnaround he

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became a believer

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that these things were there

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and uh existed

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and he didn't know what they were and it

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a scientist that he was interviewing

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told him well during the interview and

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they were talking about what they could

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be what are they where do they come from

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and the scientists did this

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that the scientist was telling him that

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he believed that they were

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extraterrestrial anyway I was fascinated

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uh it became an advocation with me

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and when I took early retirement

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I decided that I wanted to write a book

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that would address

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the population that

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has an interest in the subject but no

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real deep background

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the CIA the FBI the all of the the

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were handling this thing and what was

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being concealed from the public and how

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so that's how the book came about I

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reasonable job

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uh to go into the background of uh

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the administration's the various

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administrations how they handled it uh

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thorough briefings of it uh they the

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worthy if you will for lack of a better

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of uh knowing the facts

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I Truman knew Eisenhower knew was well

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extraordinary which I go into in the

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the other presidents Lyndon Johnson

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he was I think Lyndon Johnson was afraid

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John Kennedy he wasn't sure about

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anything and and I think he was

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he was very reluctant to even touch on

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uh but anyway we won't don't want to go

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the presidents that were brief in some

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what they can't talk about

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how well their verse how well they are

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that's how the book came about

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uh I'm getting to the point now where

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I've been doing this a long time

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sort of semi-retired now

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uh let the uh the younger folks out

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take over and do the footwork and and

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in today's time there's a great deal to

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and uh there have been some remarkable

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uh toward disclosure

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uh we're certainly not there yet

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we've uh the door has been cracked

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uh we're at a very unusual time I'm

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I'm not old pound in the uh pounding the

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ground anymore but I'm keeping a close

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eye on things uh

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I'll uh step in every now and then and

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shoot my mouth off I guess

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um when I found it uh maybe it's

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necessary but that's that's basically my

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uh my background right thank you and

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yeah you're here to show your mouth off

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so you can talk because I want to find

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not don't you think it's this not to

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this extent as it is right now

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flattened denied that there was

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any unidentified objects in the sky well

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now all of a sudden we know they are

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uh they have admitted it

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they say they don't know what they are

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um

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certainly it's a matter of National

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Security

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uh so that's a big step I mean a huge

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step for the government to acknowledge

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that our Sovereign airspace

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is being overflown

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by vehicles of an unknown origin

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uh that happened to show

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uh particular interest in our nuclear

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facilities not only not only nuclear

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missile facilities

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but uh

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uh power plants uh Atomic power plants

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they are interested in everything

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that is being done worldwide

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uh with nuclear energy

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um why who knows

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10 years ago

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if you ask me what I thought they were

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for sure I would say extra terrestrial

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visitors

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now I'm not so sure I mean we're talking

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about

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uh dimensional

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uh subjects

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living in a world where there are

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multiple dimensions and

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time travels and what have you

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um I still think

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the extra terrestrial

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uh hypothesis

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remains

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the best

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but I'm I'm I don't rule anything out

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anymore nothing it's it's everything

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when we look at what

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uh the web telescope is telling us

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of what Hubble is telling us

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uh you really get

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a concept of how vast

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uh the universe is and how little we

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know about it it's it's a matter of

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everything we learn

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we learn how

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[Music]

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much we don't know it's it's it's an

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amazing time uh

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uh I'm

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I don't know how long I'll be around

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uh if I'll see any major developments

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but uh

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it's uh it certainly uh uh a great time

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for younger folks that are coming up

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especially scientists that are now

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taking this subject

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very seriously yes I I love the fact

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um

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you know taking up you know Harvard PhD

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and you know a world-renowned uh Italian

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uh astrophysicist uh you know talking

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about uh you know that that they've you

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know they're they're looking into it

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seriously enough to

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um you know to even checking out shows

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like this and other shows that discuss

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the topic you know that would have never

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happened before so uh yeah and I agree

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with you too you know I mean I think the

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most uh logical possibility is that what

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we're seeing is extraterrestrial but it

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it definitely could be

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um something interdimensional as well or

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something that we haven't even thought

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of you know I mean or a mix

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you know that's right you don't rule

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anything out that's right

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um you know something I neglected to do

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real quickly I'm gonna get uh share this

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is uh this is this week's blog

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um with uh that Charles Lear wrote It's

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called when UFO Abduction research

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went mainstream and it talks about the

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different people that got involved like

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Bud Hopkins and uh it goes through John

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Mack and all that so check it out over

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at podcast ufo.com and I just forgot to

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do that in the beginning of the show so

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yes I think um I think there's The more

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I've looked into I've I've only done

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I've done this show a much shorter time

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than you've been researching but you

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know it's it's over 11 years now and uh

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you know I I feel as though I don't know

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any any more about what's going on I

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just I I may have more questions than I

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did in the beginning which I I think

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the more you know the more questions you

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have yeah and and it's uh I mentioned uh

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we were talking before the show started

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about uh the History Channel which I

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hold at arm's length because I know that

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those shows uh can be

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uh well the production of the shows can

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be uh

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somewhat pumped up Beyond reality

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so but with that in mind I am

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particularly fascinated by the History

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Channel's

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uh the secret of skin walker Ranch

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um it appears to me that there there's

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something there there's without question

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uh their uh there's something there then

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I'm sure the show was being produced so

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that it'll bring people back week by

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week by week

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but uh

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there is something going on out there uh

404
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I don't think the federal government

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would have been involved in it like they

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were

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uh with Robert Bigelow

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uh if they didn't think that

409
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that was something special going on out

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there so that's uh

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I'm

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fascinated by that who knows it's just

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another piece of the puzzle uh

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uh so we'll we'll see but I keep a I

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keep

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eye on it

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yeah yeah

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um

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what do you think about

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um have you looked at all into the

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reports that have come out and uh you

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know as far as what the government has

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actually been looking you know the task

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force and then uh these other things

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with uh ridiculous acronyms now it's the

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aaro or something like that

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um but anyway uh that they're actually

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looking into UFO cases now supposedly

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they're going to start looking from 1940

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uh what you call the Golden Ears of UFOs

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forward

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which before they were only looking at

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from 2004 I believe forward and now

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they're going all the supposedly going

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all the way back to look at cases and a

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lot of them will include of course you

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know what happened at missile silos and

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things like that

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well

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um yeah I've got mixed emotions about

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this side uh if you watch recently

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what's happened

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uh with the Lewis Alexander and

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um the uh

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the operation that he headed for a while

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uh and uh Christopher melon

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I mean

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these are pretty big hitters yeah uh

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that are now involved in this

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um

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a

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thing

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um

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what do we really know

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food

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who

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if we've recovered

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alien spacecraft

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who knows about it it appears that

460
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the

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doesn't make any difference if you have

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four stars on your shoulder

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uh or not

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if you don't have a need to know you

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don't know so how confined is the

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knowledge

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what does our government really know I

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mean when you have people

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uh that stand up and like Chris melon uh

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I don't think she

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is in the loop of knowledge uh probably

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Lou Elizondo isn't either

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there's a if

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in fact we do have our government has

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uh

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alien material

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there must be a very very small group of

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people

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that have this knowledge

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um so I guess what I'm getting at here

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is you hear these people that are

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um that you would think would be on the

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inside

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but obviously they're not unless

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the fact is

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that we have

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we don't have this data

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uh

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it was

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made up we don't

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we don't have a spacecraft from Roswell

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uh

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or alien bodies what have you

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um so it's confusing to me to hear these

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people that have a great deal of depth

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uh and background

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that apparently don't know if in fact

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uh that exists

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the the

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evidence exists and is being held

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somewhere

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uh

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these people don't know about it

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so

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I you know I waved back and forth

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sometimes I think well

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yeah and somebody's got an interlocking

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key somewhere but how come

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these people with such great background

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don't know about it uh and where is it

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so that's the mystery that I wrestle

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with today in today's time uh

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uh do we have this uh

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material

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uh or when I say do we does someone

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uh have this

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is there really

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um

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a majestic uh 12 operation or what used

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to be a majestic to all operations that

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some tiny group of people

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are in the know

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um but then you have to think that

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uh the military-industrial complex would

525
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have to be brought in they would have to

526
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you would have to have uh

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uh Sciences

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not

529
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from within the government but from a

530
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private industry

531
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that were

532
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researching this stuff

533
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so how do you keep the lid on it I mean

534
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that's that's what troubles me I don't

535
00:29:25,810 --> 00:29:23,100
know if I've made myself clear or not

536
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but that's uh

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00:29:32,330 --> 00:29:29,580
that's uh that's very troubling to me

538
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,340
when I when I spoke with uh Chris melon

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I I was lucky enough to be the first

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person to interview him on this topic uh

541
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back in 2015 and when I spoke to him he

542
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said that

543
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if a president wanted direct directly

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wanted to know

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about UFOs then he would be directly

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briefed on it by the information that

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they have and so I guess I want to ask

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you when you were researching for your

549
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book would you agree with that that

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um

551
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I I guess for some degree but uh

552
00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:14,760
does

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that you know that that's the question

554
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is

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he can speak

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with authority

557
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but if he doesn't know the hardcore

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00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:32,820
facts himself

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00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:36,360
he can only speculate

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um

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I don't know what the what the

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presidents are told

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um

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uh about all of that about

565
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:54,899
uh Reagan being briefed by uh

566
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:58,080
uh someone from the CIA called the

567
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caretaker

568
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uh

569
00:31:06,289 --> 00:31:03,899
if that's

570
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:06,299
has any truth to it

571
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:10,559
uh he will certainly briefed in

572
00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:15,000
some pretty uh great detail

573
00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:17,340
uh

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00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:20,100
I don't think Jimmy Carter was

575
00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:23,760
until perhaps later

576
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:24,539
um

577
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:27,840
so I don't know I mean this borders on

578
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:31,860
what I'm talking about I don't know

579
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:35,700
what these people these experts the

580
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:38,820
people that you would think know the

581
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:40,380
background

582
00:31:44,769 --> 00:31:42,299
I know that

583
00:31:46,570 --> 00:31:44,779
uh

584
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:46,580
Luis

585
00:31:52,490 --> 00:31:51,299
Elizondo will get to a point where he

586
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,500
says

587
00:31:57,889 --> 00:31:54,720
that's something he really can't get

588
00:31:59,049 --> 00:31:57,899
into except to say thus and so and thus

589
00:32:04,909 --> 00:31:59,059
itself

590
00:32:06,130 --> 00:32:04,919
so there's a line they can't step over

591
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:06,140
um

592
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:10,559
that would to me indicate that

593
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:13,260
they certainly know more than their

594
00:32:18,769 --> 00:32:15,480
able to say

595
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:18,779
but what's the depth

596
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:22,080
how deep is their knowledge

597
00:32:27,130 --> 00:32:23,360
um

598
00:32:32,889 --> 00:32:27,140
I don't know and I uh

599
00:32:35,169 --> 00:32:32,899
but I would not be surprised at all

600
00:32:39,529 --> 00:32:35,179
to find out

601
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:39,539
that there is really a

602
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:44,159
uh an organization a group

603
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,500
that

604
00:32:52,909 --> 00:32:48,080
perhaps

605
00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:52,919
knows a part of the real story

606
00:32:58,690 --> 00:32:55,620
and another group that knows a part of

607
00:33:02,769 --> 00:32:58,700
the real story in other words

608
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:02,779
compartmentalized right and

609
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:06,720
uh in that case I can see

610
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:09,539
how this may work

611
00:33:14,269 --> 00:33:10,320
um

612
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,279
and and maybe each of these people know

613
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:16,799
a bit of the story but not the full

614
00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:20,220
story does anybody know the full story

615
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:21,720
uh

616
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:24,120
do you think it's possible that

617
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:26,940
they're just as baffled as we all are by

618
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,340
the by what's going on or do you you

619
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:30,960
really do think that they may know a

620
00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:33,000
little bit more

621
00:33:39,289 --> 00:33:37,320
oh I think they know more uh then

622
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:39,299
they're willing to

623
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:41,820
talk about how much more I don't know

624
00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:45,120
but I yeah I think they know more

625
00:33:48,970 --> 00:33:46,460
um

626
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:48,980
and uh

627
00:33:55,570 --> 00:33:52,559
uh in their particular

628
00:34:00,009 --> 00:33:55,580
area of expertise

629
00:34:02,769 --> 00:34:00,019
again everything being compartmentalized

630
00:34:05,389 --> 00:34:02,779
uh

631
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:05,399
they don't there's a line they don't

632
00:34:11,329 --> 00:34:08,280
step over they don't

633
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,339
get in meddling into

634
00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:13,919
what someone else is doing

635
00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:15,659
uh

636
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:18,119
our government

637
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:20,280
is very

638
00:34:25,329 --> 00:34:24,480
very good at keeping secrets

639
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:25,339
um

640
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:28,560
uh not political secrets that's

641
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:31,320
something else they can't keep political

642
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:32,760
secrets

643
00:34:40,030 --> 00:34:38,879
Security

644
00:34:44,050 --> 00:34:40,040
um

645
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:44,060
uh that area

646
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:48,119
uh they are very good at keeping secrets

647
00:34:55,930 --> 00:34:51,300
and even better

648
00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:55,940
is the military-industrial complex their

649
00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:58,980
really good at keeping

650
00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:02,720
secrets uh

651
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:06,180
uh probably better than the uh

652
00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:09,720
three letter agencies or

653
00:35:16,690 --> 00:35:14,099
but they're they're very good at it it

654
00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:16,700
the reason is that's their livelihood

655
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,380
they make millions and billions of

656
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:20,960
dollars

657
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:22,740
by

658
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:24,599
developing

659
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:30,050
uh

660
00:35:41,470 --> 00:35:38,040
were they're very good

661
00:35:45,790 --> 00:35:41,480
at that and and uh

662
00:35:49,329 --> 00:35:45,800
they don't want to disrupt their uh

663
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:49,339
the Golden Goose so to speak but anyway

664
00:35:53,050 --> 00:35:52,440
uh no the uh

665
00:35:56,349 --> 00:35:53,060
the

666
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:56,359
military-industrial complex is uh

667
00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:01,680
uh deeply involved in all of this uh

668
00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:04,859
but how much I believe that's the

669
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:08,760
question we we get bits and pieces of

670
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:12,480
the puzzle and uh we've been getting a

671
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:15,720
lot of that recently so we'll see

672
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:17,820
yeah yep

673
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,400
um so what you know one of the things I

674
00:36:26,569 --> 00:36:23,520
I like to to uh ask someone like you

675
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:26,579
that's been researching for so long

676
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,500
um the changes that you've seen you used

677
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:31,200
to talk about the golden years and you

678
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:32,760
you thought the golden years I do

679
00:36:38,329 --> 00:36:34,920
believe the reason you called them in

680
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:38,339
that is that there weren't as many um

681
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:40,619
it was harder to have hoaxes back then

682
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,599
for one right

683
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:44,160
um you know in the beginning they

684
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:46,500
couldn't alter the photographs the way

685
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,180
they can now

686
00:36:53,329 --> 00:36:51,119
there's no there wasn't Adobe uh

687
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:53,339
Photoshop things like that

688
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:55,140
um back then

689
00:36:59,450 --> 00:36:57,300
um do you think that since the

690
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:59,460
internet's come along what type of

691
00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:03,790
well

692
00:37:10,990 --> 00:37:08,760
if you go back to the beginning of the

693
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,000
modern era which

694
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:14,160
I guess you could go back to

695
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:18,000
even farther but I I think that Roswell

696
00:37:22,569 --> 00:37:19,619
really is

697
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:22,579
was the beginning of uh

698
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:26,339
the modern era of what we now

699
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:29,839
called UFOs or whatever

700
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:32,700
whatever name the government's applying

701
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:36,540
to them now uh it all boils down to the

702
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:40,920
same thing flying sauces but uh

703
00:37:46,990 --> 00:37:43,680
what

704
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,000
uh trumanu

705
00:37:53,329 --> 00:37:49,040
uh

706
00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:53,339
was he knew the whole story as far as it

707
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:55,740
was then

708
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:56,700
um

709
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,720
and he put a a clamp on it I mean he

710
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:03,119
clamped down on it and

711
00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:05,220
uh

712
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:12,780
Gregory all over and

713
00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:16,020
uh Eisenhower worked for Truman they had

714
00:38:20,589 --> 00:38:18,780
a pretty good relationship but then

715
00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:20,599
when

716
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:22,920
Eisenhower started running for the

717
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:26,460
presidency that uh that relationship

718
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:31,320
froze over but still uh

719
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:34,440
uh Truman's uh

720
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:40,370
the head of the CIA when it was first

721
00:38:45,770 --> 00:38:42,780
set up was uh

722
00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:45,780
oh

723
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:50,040
what does that name Escape me it happens

724
00:38:55,849 --> 00:38:53,460
when you get older uh

725
00:38:58,510 --> 00:38:55,859
but anyway

726
00:39:01,069 --> 00:38:58,520
he was uh

727
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:01,079
Eisenhower's Chief of Staff during the

728
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:02,400
war

729
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:05,640
and uh then

730
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:09,540
he became head of the CIA when after the

731
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:12,560
CIA was formed

732
00:39:22,089 --> 00:39:18,119
and Eisenhower became president well uh

733
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:26,210
Chief of Staff so now head of the CIA so

734
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:28,740
I don't think Truman had to pass on

735
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:31,980
anything guys now uh

736
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:36,119
his uh Chief of Staff uh very well took

737
00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:38,040
care of them thank you and I remember

738
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,200
that name he said

739
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:41,760
but anyway

740
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,490
no no no no it was uh

741
00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:55,150
uh Edgar uh what am I thinking of no

742
00:40:00,839 --> 00:40:02,890
um

743
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,730
the uh so these were the what I call the

744
00:40:11,050 --> 00:40:09,599
golden years there was a lot of

745
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:11,060
knowledge

746
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:16,020
uh it's best they had then and and

747
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:18,660
they kept it quiet they denied

748
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:21,970
um

749
00:40:27,849 --> 00:40:26,000
as time has passed

750
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:27,859
the internet

751
00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:33,440
uh has made uh keeping secrets very hard

752
00:40:42,670 --> 00:40:38,579
uh finally it was divorced

753
00:40:45,370 --> 00:40:42,680
a place called Area 51 exists

754
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:45,380
the government finally admitted it

755
00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:49,680
denied it for how many years and then

756
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,920
finally admitted it so it's things like

757
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,560
this that are

758
00:40:59,530 --> 00:40:56,880
uh bubbling

759
00:41:03,109 --> 00:40:59,540
uh to the surface

760
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,119
uh that we wouldn't have had

761
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:06,000
uh years ago

762
00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:08,700
um there were some dedicated news

763
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:12,380
reporters newspaper reporters

764
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:17,760
uh that reported uh various things

765
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:20,880
but I think in a lot of cases uh

766
00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:23,180
the government had

767
00:41:28,430 --> 00:41:25,560
their thumb

768
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,440
pressing down on these people

769
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:30,480
so we didn't get a lot of stuff on it

770
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:33,780
but that that time has passed

771
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:35,160
um

772
00:41:42,130 --> 00:41:39,540
everything that uh

773
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:42,140
most things now

774
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:45,599
uh can be

775
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:46,450
uh

776
00:41:51,490 --> 00:41:47,880
[Music]

777
00:41:56,349 --> 00:41:51,500
uh brought to the open can be

778
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:56,359
exposed certainly we have uh

779
00:41:59,770 --> 00:41:58,260
oh very

780
00:42:03,230 --> 00:41:59,780
Secret

781
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:03,240
uh aerial platforms that are being

782
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,820
tested all the time

783
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:07,440
uh

784
00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:09,660
that's probably

785
00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:14,540
50 years more advanced than we know

786
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:16,980
uh of them

787
00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:20,940
but and that's being kept secret it's up

788
00:42:25,329 --> 00:42:22,260
to a certain degree because that

789
00:42:29,410 --> 00:42:25,339
probably people that know but if you

790
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:29,420
I don't care how secret you can have

791
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:34,440
uh airspace now in this country The

792
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:38,000
Spill people are going to see things and

793
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,640
find out things and nose around so yeah

794
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:43,920
it's a lot harder now we we certainly

795
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:47,640
know a lot more than uh we did in those

796
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:51,720
uh those golden years it was very easy

797
00:42:58,609 --> 00:42:57,119
to conceal uh and certainly not so easy

798
00:43:01,970 --> 00:42:58,619
nowadays

799
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,980
I hope that's a reasonable answer to

800
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:04,560
your question sure did you ever actually

801
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:07,680
do any investigating yourself you know

802
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:10,560
talk to Witnesses or anything like that

803
00:43:15,170 --> 00:43:13,500
oh yeah uh

804
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:15,180
I

805
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:22,020
time as a matter of fact uh spent the

806
00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:23,040
night

807
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:25,859
with the Robert emanator

808
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,880
and his retirement home in

809
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:31,760
Arkansas

810
00:43:39,790 --> 00:43:35,339
disgusting and if you remember Robert

811
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:39,800
Emmanuel I guess he was a

812
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:45,200
co-producer of the extremely

813
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:48,319
well-made documentary from

814
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:57,349
past present and future oh yeah very

815
00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:01,680
well done narrated by Rod Sterling

816
00:44:08,809 --> 00:44:06,420
and uh that's right just a a wonderful

817
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:08,819
production

818
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:11,160
and Bob told me sitting at his kitchen

819
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:12,660
table

820
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:18,770
they were to be given

821
00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:21,839
35 millimeter film

822
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,560
of a UFO landing in

823
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:27,839
New Mexico

824
00:44:36,609 --> 00:44:29,400
uh

825
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:36,619
what Air Force Base again Martin I I

826
00:44:44,650 --> 00:44:39,540
forgive me for my uh

827
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:44,660
uh lack of recall but uh anyway uh

828
00:44:51,410 --> 00:44:48,480
uh that they were going to be giving us

829
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:51,420
a 35 millimeter footage

830
00:44:58,329 --> 00:44:56,940
600 feet of it to use as the dramatic

831
00:45:01,930 --> 00:44:58,339
closing

832
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:01,940
of that program

833
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,599
and that uh

834
00:45:09,849 --> 00:45:08,640
was just before they started production

835
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:09,859
that

836
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:12,420
was withdrawn

837
00:45:20,349 --> 00:45:15,660
uh Watergate had just

838
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:20,359
reared his ugly head oh yeah and

839
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:22,740
apparently the White House

840
00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:26,640
was behind this production

841
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:30,060
um according to what Bob emanator told

842
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:31,140
me

843
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:32,960
and

844
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,720
so the Nixon White House did not want to

845
00:45:42,849 --> 00:45:39,119
get into anything

846
00:45:48,430 --> 00:45:42,859
uh that was controversial anymore

847
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,440
and so that was uh withdrawn but

848
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:51,200
uh they continued the government

849
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,880
continued to support

850
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:56,160
ebeneger

851
00:46:02,750 --> 00:45:57,540
um

852
00:46:05,470 --> 00:46:02,760
in his uh production efforts

853
00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:05,480
so a lot of good things came out of that

854
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:08,520
uh but uh

855
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:11,760
uh that's just that's just one example

856
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:14,460
but yeah I've uh I've done a lot of

857
00:46:18,970 --> 00:46:16,680
footwork uh I've gone to a lot of

858
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:18,980
presidential libraries

859
00:46:27,530 --> 00:46:23,280
uh which are quite interesting that's

860
00:46:30,010 --> 00:46:27,540
that's uh something I found that's one

861
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:30,020
part of the government that really works

862
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:36,950
um they or

863
00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:39,540
are perfectly willing if you say

864
00:46:46,910 --> 00:46:43,859
you want information on UFOs they know

865
00:46:50,349 --> 00:46:46,920
exactly where it is and they can show

866
00:46:54,349 --> 00:46:50,359
you they'll bring all of the files so

867
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:54,359
carts full of them and uh

868
00:46:59,210 --> 00:46:55,800
just

869
00:47:02,210 --> 00:46:59,220
help anyone they can they that was a

870
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,220
wonderful wonderful experience uh

871
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:05,520
working with the presidential libraries

872
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:11,030
but

873
00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:14,220
so yes a lot of leg work involved it's a

874
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,500
lot of money involved you got to spend a

875
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:18,359
lot of money and

876
00:47:27,250 --> 00:47:22,380
it's uh you know a lot of traveling you

877
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,050
on a shoestring you can it takes money

878
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:35,280
that's right I used to they used to

879
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:39,540
fascinate me uh how

880
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:41,940
um Dr Alan heineck would just show up

881
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:44,400
like a day after an incident he would

882
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:46,740
just fly this was after you know Project

883
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,900
Blue Book so he would just jump on a

884
00:47:54,109 --> 00:47:51,359
plane and just go which uh

885
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:54,119
which was uh expensive even you know at

886
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:55,260
the time

887
00:48:01,609 --> 00:47:58,560
sure relatively expensive so

888
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:01,619
but um yeah he went all over the place

889
00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:04,260
and for you to do the research and the

890
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:07,800
the libraries I'm I'm surprised that I

891
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:09,480
didn't even realize that that you can

892
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:11,640
ask where if there's any UFO material

893
00:48:15,650 --> 00:48:13,800
and it's they'll they'll let you know

894
00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:15,660
where it is

895
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:17,819
yeah

896
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:18,480
um

897
00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:22,079
I was arrested initially

898
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:25,619
to go into a Presidential Library

899
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:28,200
and say uh

900
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,560
well I'm writing a book on

901
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:34,800
presidents and UFOs

902
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:35,880
um

903
00:48:41,050 --> 00:48:38,040
what information have you gotten I

904
00:48:44,349 --> 00:48:41,060
thought that you know I would get

905
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:44,359
eyeballs rolling around and

906
00:48:52,329 --> 00:48:49,440
a pushback but the exact opposite uh was

907
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:52,339
the case they told me

908
00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:56,240
where I could find the stuff that is

909
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,180
where to look for and when I found

910
00:49:05,770 --> 00:49:03,359
something file wise

911
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:05,780
that I thought would be interesting

912
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:08,400
they'd bring it to me

913
00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:09,960
they wouldn't just bring you the file

914
00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:13,740
they'd bring me the whole box of bottles

915
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:18,180
um rolling remote on a cart you know and

916
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:22,260
just leave them there at your table and

917
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,220
you could go through these trials pick

918
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,079
one and go through it and see what's in

919
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:30,839
it uh

920
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:33,599
put that away and move to another one

921
00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:35,220
it's

922
00:49:42,490 --> 00:49:38,700
and they were they photocopy things for

923
00:49:44,089 --> 00:49:42,500
you because they're charging for that

924
00:49:47,089 --> 00:49:44,099
uh

925
00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:47,099
but that wasn't necessary because I had

926
00:49:54,109 --> 00:49:51,000
my iPhone with me so you just leave the

927
00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:54,119
document out on the table and take a

928
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,520
picture of it I got a whole

929
00:50:01,390 --> 00:49:58,400
smooth pictures

930
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:01,400
that I took from

931
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:06,000
files and presidential libraries uh

932
00:50:10,990 --> 00:50:09,180
by any number of people well-known

933
00:50:16,010 --> 00:50:11,000
people

934
00:50:22,089 --> 00:50:20,690
information back and forth discussing

935
00:50:24,910 --> 00:50:22,099
uh

936
00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:24,920
well in many times

937
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,420
the UFO issue

938
00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:30,000
so the information is out there for

939
00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:32,099
anybody that wants to take the trouble

940
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:33,420
to

941
00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:40,490
go ahead

942
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:44,460
I'm uh I I think it'd be very

943
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:46,440
interesting if anybody wanted to do it

944
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:51,680
it's it's it's not difficult obviously

945
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:54,300
uh when you go into a Presidential

946
00:51:01,089 --> 00:50:57,420
Library you can't take a briefcase you

947
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,099
can't yeah you know you got to leave

948
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,839
everything that you've got you have a

949
00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:06,240
jacket they give you a locker to put it

950
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:08,040
in and all that before you go into the

951
00:51:12,829 --> 00:51:08,940
library

952
00:51:16,190 --> 00:51:12,839
the only thing you can bring in is uh

953
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:16,200
as I recall a pencil

954
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:18,300
and a legal pad

955
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,839
uh uh that's it

956
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:23,280
and your phone

957
00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:30,540
we've only got three minutes left so uh

958
00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:33,300
if you would what would see if you can

959
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:34,980
wrap it up in three minutes what was the

960
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:36,660
most interesting thing you found in any

961
00:51:40,089 --> 00:51:38,460
of the libraries and which library was

962
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:40,099
it

963
00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:41,700
uh

964
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,260
interesting things in there that led me

965
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:57,599
to believe

966
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,000
how much Lyndon Johnson wanted to stay

967
00:52:04,670 --> 00:52:02,880
away from this subject huh

968
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:04,680
certainly

969
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:08,819
and I can't remember exactly what I got

970
00:52:16,210 --> 00:52:12,079
from the Kennedy Library

971
00:52:18,370 --> 00:52:16,220
but it was clear

972
00:52:21,730 --> 00:52:18,380
that Kennedy

973
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,740
wanted to

974
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:23,280
divulge

975
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:28,319
a great deal of our secrets

976
00:52:32,829 --> 00:52:29,839
in the

977
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:32,839
UFO field

978
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:36,960
uh not only to the public here

979
00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:39,680
but to the Russians

980
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:43,460
and the Russians were supposed to

981
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:47,700
give us all of their information

982
00:52:55,010 --> 00:52:52,319
and that really Disturbed uh the

983
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:55,020
intelligence community in the United

984
00:53:00,970 --> 00:52:57,720
States they didn't want any parts of

985
00:53:04,609 --> 00:53:00,980
this they didn't want anything devolved

986
00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:04,619
uh to the Soviet Union and that's why

987
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:07,500
they got Lee Harvey Oswald I'm just

988
00:53:11,890 --> 00:53:10,200
kidding this starts a conspiracy well

989
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:11,900
well

990
00:53:18,910 --> 00:53:16,380
that's I cover that in the book

991
00:53:22,450 --> 00:53:18,920
um okay I don't

992
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:22,460
necessarily buy into it but I don't

993
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:25,260
disregard it either

994
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:28,920
um you know it's it's interesting

995
00:53:32,809 --> 00:53:30,780
well thank you so much Larry it's been a

996
00:53:36,609 --> 00:53:32,819
real pleasure Martin it's been a

997
00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:36,619
pleasure and I enjoyed it uh always uh

998
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:39,660
enjoyed talking with you you bet all

999
00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:42,960
right you take care you too all right

1000
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,520
all right everyone so that's it we'll

1001
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:47,280
see you next week and remember to keep

1002
00:53:54,770 --> 00:53:48,690
your eyes to the sky

1003
00:53:54,780 --> 00:53:59,940
foreign